These viewpoints - BEING FLAUNTED IN OUR FACES From: rich newman
To: Richard Newman ; Pete newman
Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 11:32 PM
Subject: Re: THE WORD ATTACK - BEING FLAUNTED IN OUR FACES

again your accusations to who murdering who. Your suggestions are your
opinions and are open for debate. But the issue concerning gay marriages is
not open for debate, opinion or any such. It's issue is absolute to our
consciences!
Your saying some people are being murdered and I believe your referring to
Bush,the American, Korean,English and Etc,etc,etc soldiers over in Iraq
whose forces ousted a murderous saddamish regime. Well that's your opinion
and others opinion back and forth. But again the gay issue is not open for
debate or opinion - we will voice our displeasure against this gay marriage
absurdity. Believe you me congress will be held accountable whether
republican, democratic or any party that shows any allegiance to this
despicable issue. If the people of the u.s. don't show their displeasure
than I fear God's wrath coming here.God judged Sodom and Gomorrah will he
hold back his wrath on the U.S.

From: Peter
To: rich newman
Cc: Richie I Newman
Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 2:57 PM
Subject: These viewpoints - BEING FLAUNTED IN OUR FACES

You said "we will voice our displeasure against this gay marriage
absurdity".
That's crazy talk.
You believe in gay marriage? Then THAT is YOUR OPINION.
I don't believe their is such a thing as gay marriage, so it doesn't exist,
whether someone calls it that or not, period.
The existence of gay marriage is an opinion that you believe. The existence
of American supported murder, oppression, etc. is a fact that CAN'T be
REASONABLY denied.
You're belief and focus on Gay Love is disturbing, now you're suggesting it
equals marriage. Please, choose what rhetoric you fight carefully.

I choose to focus on views that directly affect me in practice first, then I
look at the negative views that could potentially affect me. Lastly, I don't
believe in the views that make no sense to me and have absolutely zero
affect on me (like gay marriage and many of your other views). They are
easily ignored by me as the rantings of crazy people. i.e. CRAZY TALK.

-Peter

Richard Newman wrote:
I understand. However, there is a bigger sin being flaunted in front of our
faces, but most Christians ignore it: murder.

Why concern ourselves with politicians allowing homosexuality? They are
CONDONING the killing of people: Samarians, Jews, Muslims, Christians,
Iraqis, Americans.
Why are we not equally outraged by the UNJUSTIFIED war in Iraq? Isn't that
FAR worse than the Gay marriage amendment? At the VERY least it is EQUAL to
it.

This is what makes the Christian argument about gay marriage seem insincere.
If we are sincere about our disgust and outrage over homosexuality, where
is the disgust and outrage over killing people?

In Truth, Brotherhood, Scholarship, and Service,
R. Newman

From: rich newman
To: Richard Newman
Subject: Re: THE WORD ATTACK - BEING FLAUNTED IN OUR FACES
Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 15:37:13 -0700 (PDT)

As far as attack and sin or sins= we believers would not make it and issue
or bone of contention, but what if any sin was to be made legal== this is
probly what is so outrageous - not only is the sin homosexuality being
flaunted in our faces but the audacity to think or even conceive that gay
marriages should be accepted in our society. This for believers is not up
for debate- this is an abomination an should not be even talked about. But
now it is flaunted in our faces so we cannot hold our tongues at such and
aberration. Congress will be held accountable-- no more can they hide
(republicans and democrats) they will be judged very strictly and harshly-
they singularly be marked by the middle of the month. I believe July 16 or
17.
Richard Newman wrote:Tomatoes, tomahto...
You are bogging down in semantics over what "attack" connotes.
In the process you are ignoring the point that IF we are going to discuss
any ONE sin (such as sexual activity), maybe we should choose a BIGGER sin,
or a more prevalent sin. Of ALL the sins to get the government involved
with, why sexual activity between adults?
why not murder, war, oppression, inequality, ANYTHING ELSE?

The fact that you took time to forward a message about the Gay marriage
amendment speaks to your priorities.

Very similarly, any politician that would rather discuss gay marriages than
the hundreds of other MORE important issues, is either being dishonest, or
is irresponsibly shifting our attention to low priority issues.

ps-
Pete you can come up for July 4th if you want

In Truth, Brotherhood, Scholarship, and Service,
R. Newman

From: rich newman
To: Richard Newman
Subject: Re: THE WORD ATTACK
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 09:13:32 -0700 (PDT)

YOUR WORDS PLEASE START BEING MORE ACCURATE, MAYBE YOU FEEL BECAUSE I DON'T
CONDONE GAY MARRIAGES, THAT I'M ATTACKING THEM? I BEG TO DIFFER WITH YOU!
ATTACK IS A VERY STRONG WORD. I OPPOSE, MAYBE EVEN DISSAGREE . BUT ATTACK?
AGAIN WE ARE CALLED TO BE COMPASIONATE TOWARD ALL SINNERS, BUT NEVER TO
CONDONE THIER SIN.
THE BIG ISSUE IS ALL SIN AT EVERY LEVEL IS NOT TO BE CONDONED,WE LOVE THE
SINNER BUT DONOT CONDONE ANYMANN'S PECULAR SIN OR SINS.
NOW AFTER DEALING WITH SIN, AND CONSISTENTLY DEALING WITH IT- WE GO ON TOO
DEEPER ISSUES-- SELF- THE SOUL-LIFE- THE BIBLE SAYS WE SHALL WIN OVER OUR
SELF LIFE WITH PATIENCE.IT SAYS THAT HE WHO LOVES THIS SELF LIFE SHALL LOSE
IT. JOHN SAYS THAT THE PRIDE OF LIFE, THE LUST OF THE EYE AND THE LUST OF
THE FLESH, ARE AT ENMITY WITH GOD.SO WE DEAL WITH THE SIN ISSUE THEN OR IN
THE INTERIM WE DEAL WITH SELF, ALLOWING THE holy SPIRIT TO OPERATE ON OUR
SIN AND SELF NATURE WHICH IS CONNECTED TO THE SPIRIT OF THE WORLD,SATAN.

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