Friday, July 23, 2004
RE:hate-- please don't exagerate my opinions or words thank you. also facts on michael moore movie
From: "Richard Newman"
To:
Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2004 5:36 PM
Subject: RE:hate-- please don't exaggerate my opinions or words thank you.
also facts on Michael Moore movie
> First, please cite where Michael Moore has misstated the facts. Don't
believe the right-wing. In fact, I will pay for you to see the movie. Go
see the movie before you make assertions based on Michael Isikoff's opinion
article, or any FOXnews or NY POST or Moonie Times or National Enquirer
source.
> Fahrenheit 911 had a tough task: 1) present the literally thousands of
pages of evidence that has been produced over the past year against Bush and
2) do it in less than 2 hours because people have a short attention span.
> I've seen the movie, and I've read a lot of the evidence. The movie
barely scratches the surface. EVERY little thing he mentions in the movie
has at least one hundred pages of testimony and other evidence backing it
up.
> The trouble was that he didn't go into that much detail, and even left out
very damning info about Bush such as the build-up to Iraq: where Bush
disclosed the war plans to the Saudis BEFORE running it by Powell, the
Secretary of State and Commander of the first Iraqi War; and the LARGEST
misappropriation of funds in the History of mankind. The only reason Bush
has not been impeached is because the republican run the House of
Representatives. Clinton lied about getting head, and he got impeached,
Bush's lies caused the deaths of thousands.
>
> Tell me when you want to go and I will have the ticket waiting for you at
the theatre of your choice. As for opinion, of course the movie has opinion
in it. However, you can easily tell the difference between fact and
opinion. And the FACTS remain that Moore did not lie, Bush on the other
hand...
>
> Also, ask anyone if they are in favor of the Iraq War. Mention the draft,
and ask if they would sacrifice a loved one in order to take over Iraq
[probably not]. Bush and his folk said
>
> Secondly,
> I am glad you love Adam just as much as you love Jesus. I find it
disheartening the amount of Christian that love Jesus more than anyone else,
and it seems they only love him for what he has done for them. It sounds
very selfish. In other words, they would love Jesus at all if he did not
DIE for them. Is that what it takes to have these people's love? You have
to give you life for them or they will not love you? Crazy...and selfish.
> Also, God can do anything. God could come to earth in flesh as many times
as he would like. Agreed? He could impregnate any woman at any time and
have a son, if we wished. He could enter the womb and become a man, if he
wished, not hard for God.
> God does not have to eat, sleep, have sex, or anything. My concept of God
is that God has no limits to what he could do.
>
> And you still have not answered my question as to whether we could include
my mom into this conversation. You would be surprised that she supports
Bush, no logical reason, just as you do.
>
> In Truth, Brotherhood, Scholarship, and Service,
> R. Newman
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: rich Newman
> To: Richard Newman
> I must believe you have tinted glasses on. Where did I mention the word or
even the idea HATE-------------- We love the sinner and hate the sin! Though
through one man's disobedience sin entered the world and disease and death
followed. Only through Jesus Christ is there remedy for the fall.
Intelligence, technology, human endeavors of any sort cannot help. Only by
accepting the sacrifice God has provided for us, will we be saved.
Salvation, the gift of God is not of works, but grace. God has already
provided salvation for mankind, It is finished said Jesus while on the
cross. Eve went for that line - Satan said it'll make you wise; Please don't
exaggerate my words or opinions. BY the way I looked into the Michael Moore
truths in which he now proclaims is just his opinions, truth trickling down
to opinion. What was once told to be facts evidence is now just someone's
opinion. That's what he proclaims now so now he can get the movie out
without risking any injury to self-life.
>
> Richard Newman wrote:whoa! I'm not sure if your
response was to my email, but...
> let's see, you think intelligence is NOT an advantage...
> you think that the root of sin is rebellion to God's law, but God's law
[and
> sin] was nailed to the cross (and is dead?)
> You blame death on Adam...and you will wait until told otherwise.
>
> As for me, I don't have this selfish love for Jesus that most Christians
> have. They love Jesus because he did something for them, but possibly hate
> Adam for what he did to them.
>
> I love God, and all God has created, as it is all a reflection of God. I
> love Jesus for being a manifestation of God, I love Adam the same, they
are
> all God's children. Adam and Jesus were both God's sons. Neither had a
> human father. I do not love one and hate the other, they are both to be
> loved, just as I love all God's children. However, I agree that the
concept
> of death is difficult, and eternal life is easier to grasp.
>
>
> By the way,
> the wise men (the ones who came form the East and validated the
> birth)...were they sinners? Christians? Jews? did the wise men get saved?
> what happened to these very important figures? They were necessary for the
> birth story to have significance.
>
> AND a shoutout to the conservative movement:
> Oh you conservative ideals!
> You were the ideals that told us integration was wrong.
> You were the ideals that told us Loving v. Virginia (interracial marriage
> case) would destroy us.
> You told us that a National Debt is a good thing.
> You told us war is necessary and should be encouraged.
> You are loved by the KKK and neo-Nazis, (and members of both groups will
not
> vote Democrat).
> You preached to us about religion, but did not love your enemies, or your
> neighbors.
> You taught us that calling yourself Christian is more important than
> anything else.
> When will you finally die, you conservative ideals?
> When will you stop imprisoning my people?
> When will you admit we are all equal?!
> WE ARE ALL EQUAL!!!
>
> In Truth, Brotherhood, Scholarship, and Service,
> R. Newman
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: rich Newman
> To: Richard Newman
>
> I never pro ported the things you say - What I shared was plain,
> basic Bible- even a donkey if God so desired could be made to speak
oracles.
> Also while Jesus walked the earth he was the oracle of God and
> spoke to all, yet all did not recognize nor receive him. Intelligence does
> not have an advantage when it comes to knowing the things of God. On the
> contrary Intelligence can be a stumbling block and for most it seems to be
> true. The just shall live by faith!
> God has chosen the base to confound the wise. The intelligent,
> beauty and the gifted all will have there day before God. Yes today they
> accomplish much - fame, riches etc. But there will come that day .
> Just like in Jesus time , he was born in a barn - while there was
> not any room for him in the Inn- Today the Inn is still filled-- Jesus
> communicating by the Holy Spirit is looking to find a home in our
> consciousness will you give him a place he died for you, he died to set
you
> free from sin, and self that you may overcome the petty self-life, the
world
> and the Devil.
> Only by having a Christ consciousness can we overcome; Many noble
> man ,many noble thoughts have gone out and kind of accomplished something
> but in the end they have all been corrupted and became what they
themselves
> were against.
> Death came into the world by one man's sin(Adam). And so with sin and
> death came all other ailments. Now God so love the world that he gave his
> only begotten son that whosoever believeth in him shall not perish but
> inherit God's very own eternal uncreatedlife! This is the antidote for the
> problems of the world. The solution for the universe has come.
> It is true I agree man's behavioral problems are petty-- gay etc etc.
> The root of sin, sickness and death is rebellion against God's laws. It is
> impossible for man to obey God's laws though he tries so hard. Jesus
Christ
> nailed Sin and the laws to the cross so that we who live by faith in The
> Lord's accomplished work can now gain God's favor.
> And await the complete redemption of God. OUR RESPONSIBLITIE IS TO
> GUARD, WATCH AND WAIT FOR THE REST OF GOD'S PROMISE UNLESS OTHERWISE TOLD.
> Richard Newman wrote:
> JESUS!! Preach, brother!
> AMEN and so on.
> You speak the truth. A truth that could only come from God itself. I have
> to save your message because it is so amazing.
> I did not have to close my eyes to know that you were speaking from the
> spirit. It stirred within me a willingness to fight for what is right.
> Keep going!
¶ 12:47 AM
To:
Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2004 5:36 PM
Subject: RE:hate-- please don't exaggerate my opinions or words thank you.
also facts on Michael Moore movie
> First, please cite where Michael Moore has misstated the facts. Don't
believe the right-wing. In fact, I will pay for you to see the movie. Go
see the movie before you make assertions based on Michael Isikoff's opinion
article, or any FOXnews or NY POST or Moonie Times or National Enquirer
source.
> Fahrenheit 911 had a tough task: 1) present the literally thousands of
pages of evidence that has been produced over the past year against Bush and
2) do it in less than 2 hours because people have a short attention span.
> I've seen the movie, and I've read a lot of the evidence. The movie
barely scratches the surface. EVERY little thing he mentions in the movie
has at least one hundred pages of testimony and other evidence backing it
up.
> The trouble was that he didn't go into that much detail, and even left out
very damning info about Bush such as the build-up to Iraq: where Bush
disclosed the war plans to the Saudis BEFORE running it by Powell, the
Secretary of State and Commander of the first Iraqi War; and the LARGEST
misappropriation of funds in the History of mankind. The only reason Bush
has not been impeached is because the republican run the House of
Representatives. Clinton lied about getting head, and he got impeached,
Bush's lies caused the deaths of thousands.
>
> Tell me when you want to go and I will have the ticket waiting for you at
the theatre of your choice. As for opinion, of course the movie has opinion
in it. However, you can easily tell the difference between fact and
opinion. And the FACTS remain that Moore did not lie, Bush on the other
hand...
>
> Also, ask anyone if they are in favor of the Iraq War. Mention the draft,
and ask if they would sacrifice a loved one in order to take over Iraq
[probably not]. Bush and his folk said
>
> Secondly,
> I am glad you love Adam just as much as you love Jesus. I find it
disheartening the amount of Christian that love Jesus more than anyone else,
and it seems they only love him for what he has done for them. It sounds
very selfish. In other words, they would love Jesus at all if he did not
DIE for them. Is that what it takes to have these people's love? You have
to give you life for them or they will not love you? Crazy...and selfish.
> Also, God can do anything. God could come to earth in flesh as many times
as he would like. Agreed? He could impregnate any woman at any time and
have a son, if we wished. He could enter the womb and become a man, if he
wished, not hard for God.
> God does not have to eat, sleep, have sex, or anything. My concept of God
is that God has no limits to what he could do.
>
> And you still have not answered my question as to whether we could include
my mom into this conversation. You would be surprised that she supports
Bush, no logical reason, just as you do.
>
> In Truth, Brotherhood, Scholarship, and Service,
> R. Newman
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: rich Newman
> To: Richard Newman
> I must believe you have tinted glasses on. Where did I mention the word or
even the idea HATE-------------- We love the sinner and hate the sin! Though
through one man's disobedience sin entered the world and disease and death
followed. Only through Jesus Christ is there remedy for the fall.
Intelligence, technology, human endeavors of any sort cannot help. Only by
accepting the sacrifice God has provided for us, will we be saved.
Salvation, the gift of God is not of works, but grace. God has already
provided salvation for mankind, It is finished said Jesus while on the
cross. Eve went for that line - Satan said it'll make you wise; Please don't
exaggerate my words or opinions. BY the way I looked into the Michael Moore
truths in which he now proclaims is just his opinions, truth trickling down
to opinion. What was once told to be facts evidence is now just someone's
opinion. That's what he proclaims now so now he can get the movie out
without risking any injury to self-life.
>
> Richard Newman
response was to my email, but...
> let's see, you think intelligence is NOT an advantage...
> you think that the root of sin is rebellion to God's law, but God's law
[and
> sin] was nailed to the cross (and is dead?)
> You blame death on Adam...and you will wait until told otherwise.
>
> As for me, I don't have this selfish love for Jesus that most Christians
> have. They love Jesus because he did something for them, but possibly hate
> Adam for what he did to them.
>
> I love God, and all God has created, as it is all a reflection of God. I
> love Jesus for being a manifestation of God, I love Adam the same, they
are
> all God's children. Adam and Jesus were both God's sons. Neither had a
> human father. I do not love one and hate the other, they are both to be
> loved, just as I love all God's children. However, I agree that the
concept
> of death is difficult, and eternal life is easier to grasp.
>
>
> By the way,
> the wise men (the ones who came form the East and validated the
> birth)...were they sinners? Christians? Jews? did the wise men get saved?
> what happened to these very important figures? They were necessary for the
> birth story to have significance.
>
> AND a shoutout to the conservative movement:
> Oh you conservative ideals!
> You were the ideals that told us integration was wrong.
> You were the ideals that told us Loving v. Virginia (interracial marriage
> case) would destroy us.
> You told us that a National Debt is a good thing.
> You told us war is necessary and should be encouraged.
> You are loved by the KKK and neo-Nazis, (and members of both groups will
not
> vote Democrat).
> You preached to us about religion, but did not love your enemies, or your
> neighbors.
> You taught us that calling yourself Christian is more important than
> anything else.
> When will you finally die, you conservative ideals?
> When will you stop imprisoning my people?
> When will you admit we are all equal?!
> WE ARE ALL EQUAL!!!
>
> In Truth, Brotherhood, Scholarship, and Service,
> R. Newman
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: rich Newman
> To: Richard Newman
>
> I never pro ported the things you say - What I shared was plain,
> basic Bible- even a donkey if God so desired could be made to speak
oracles.
> Also while Jesus walked the earth he was the oracle of God and
> spoke to all, yet all did not recognize nor receive him. Intelligence does
> not have an advantage when it comes to knowing the things of God. On the
> contrary Intelligence can be a stumbling block and for most it seems to be
> true. The just shall live by faith!
> God has chosen the base to confound the wise. The intelligent,
> beauty and the gifted all will have there day before God. Yes today they
> accomplish much - fame, riches etc. But there will come that day .
> Just like in Jesus time , he was born in a barn - while there was
> not any room for him in the Inn- Today the Inn is still filled-- Jesus
> communicating by the Holy Spirit is looking to find a home in our
> consciousness will you give him a place he died for you, he died to set
you
> free from sin, and self that you may overcome the petty self-life, the
world
> and the Devil.
> Only by having a Christ consciousness can we overcome; Many noble
> man ,many noble thoughts have gone out and kind of accomplished something
> but in the end they have all been corrupted and became what they
themselves
> were against.
> Death came into the world by one man's sin(Adam). And so with sin and
> death came all other ailments. Now God so love the world that he gave his
> only begotten son that whosoever believeth in him shall not perish but
> inherit God's very own eternal uncreatedlife! This is the antidote for the
> problems of the world. The solution for the universe has come.
> It is true I agree man's behavioral problems are petty-- gay etc etc.
> The root of sin, sickness and death is rebellion against God's laws. It is
> impossible for man to obey God's laws though he tries so hard. Jesus
Christ
> nailed Sin and the laws to the cross so that we who live by faith in The
> Lord's accomplished work can now gain God's favor.
> And await the complete redemption of God. OUR RESPONSIBLITIE IS TO
> GUARD, WATCH AND WAIT FOR THE REST OF GOD'S PROMISE UNLESS OTHERWISE TOLD.
> Richard Newman wrote:
> JESUS!! Preach, brother!
> AMEN and so on.
> You speak the truth. A truth that could only come from God itself. I have
> to save your message because it is so amazing.
> I did not have to close my eyes to know that you were speaking from the
> spirit. It stirred within me a willingness to fight for what is right.
> Keep going!
¶ 12:47 AM
